Curse

Dragonne · Mar 23, 2005, 12:21 AM // 00:21

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Originally Posted by BunnyMaster

small question: next BWE Some friends and I want to use some PvP-chars (the lvl20 ones) to plvl the PvE-chars. Is that a smart thing to do? Cause we spent too much time getting to Lions Arch while being lvl 8 / lvl 11...

Everyone is apparently overlooking the REAL answer here.

Those level 20 PvP characters are only allowed in PvP areas. You can't make a Lvl 20 PvP character and go through the missions. Only RPG characters can go through the missions.

So your answer is, no. It won't work because you can't actually do it.

Daikini · Mar 23, 2005, 03:48 AM // 03:48

BunnyMaster asked if it was possible for a Lvl1 character to wear the best armor in the game and Mumbly Fish said that this is impossible because the Lvl1 would have to buy the armor themselves. This situation is not impossible because of how partying works.

Lets say a Lvl 20 and a Lvl 1 start out at the beginning of a mission, the Lvl1 can not move while the Lvl 20 runs throught he mission and completes the quest. He doesn't get any XP but he still get the quest and can move on. This process can be repeated as needed until the Lvl1(which is now a Lvl 3 at least because of all the XP gained from completing quests) is standing in front of their final armor crafter. Once the Lvl 3 has their armor then can proceed to Power Level in the normal manner without having to worry too much about dying.

Also, IMO I believe that you dont have to attack or use any skill to gain experience from a fight, XP is simply given to all characters in a given radius of the fight. This is what I have seen...

Kiwi · Mar 23, 2005, 03:51 AM // 03:51

Well does it count if you heal your pets and they attack?

Aria · Mar 23, 2005, 04:15 AM // 04:15

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Originally Posted by Dragonne

Everyone is apparently overlooking the REAL answer here.

Those level 20 PvP characters are only allowed in PvP areas. You can't make a Lvl 20 PvP character and go through the missions. Only RPG characters can go through the missions.

So your answer is, no. It won't work because you can't actually do it.

Hehe, I actually said the exact same thing halfway through the thread.

And to Kiwi.. I would assume that you would. I'm also assuming that while you're healing, you're also using your wand/bow/long range weapon to attack. And since monks do that all the time, and still get experience.. I don't see why it wouldn't work with pets, also. Someone will have to confirm that though, sorry.

Kiwi · Mar 23, 2005, 04:19 AM // 04:19

Well I dont know if healing animal over again works, because my animals always dies unless I go and attack the foe its attacking.

William the Silent · Mar 23, 2005, 04:27 AM // 04:27

Well since this thread is split up into a couple of different topics which is great, I just want to clear up to those wondering about exp from my personal experience.

From what I have gathered and experienced, exp is a completely individual thing based on what level you are on relative to what level your opponent is on. For example, earlier in the BWE last weekend I had built my character up to lvl12 and needed some more gold for better pyromancer armor. So I naturally looked for easy kills for gold outside Ascalon City. So I got my gold and all but I learned that since my opponents levels were so much lower than mine (the flash gargoyles) I received 0 or minimal exp for each kill.

Back to my contestation of the "split exp" philosophy: In every mission I have gone on, whether I am attacking an enemy alone or attacking a single enemy with a group, as long as I had a part in that kill I got the same amount of experience whether I had assistance or not. I have yet to experience a single time where I have clearly "split" exp with my group after a kill.

I hope this clears things up for some of you ponderers out there.

William of Orange · Mar 23, 2005, 07:51 AM // 07:51

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Originally Posted by William the Silent

Well since this thread is split up into a couple of different topics which is great, I just want to clear up to those wondering about exp from my personal experience.

From what I have gathered and experienced, exp is a completely individual thing based on what level you are on relative to what level your opponent is on. For example, earlier in the BWE last weekend I had built my character up to lvl12 and needed some more gold for better pyromancer armor. So I naturally looked for easy kills for gold outside Ascalon City. So I got my gold and all but I learned that since my opponents levels were so much lower than mine (the flash gargoyles) I received 0 or minimal exp for each kill.

Back to my contestation of the "split exp" philosophy: In every mission I have gone on, whether I am attacking an enemy alone or attacking a single enemy with a group, as long as I had a part in that kill I got the same amount of experience whether I had assistance or not. I have yet to experience a single time where I have clearly "split" exp with my group after a kill.

I hope this clears things up for some of you ponderers out there.

I can vouch for Silent's second point about splitting experience. During the event, I got about a 3 hour headstart on Silent and was on level 3, almost level 4, before he was even able to sign on. I never noticed any hugh discrepencies until Sunday, when Silent reached level 12 just after I reached level 13. I would have times when I would go in and engage a creature, and would just in passing notice an experience value pop up from a kill I had nothing to do with, and saw that the value was significantly lower. I ended up doing Ignite Arrows on every attack after Silent and I discussed this, and I noticed a drastic increase in how much experience I was able to gain as I went through and completed missions with our parties. Silent had about 31 hours of play, and I was at about 36, yet he still ended only about 1 level below me after practically a 3 level head start.

William the Silent · Mar 24, 2005, 07:31 AM // 07:31

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Originally Posted by William of Orange

Silent had about 31 hours of play, and I was at about 36, yet he still ended only about 1 level below me after practically a 3 level head start.

Heeheehee. Hey! To add a bit more legitimacy to Mr. Orange's post I must say that I played just over 32 hours (big diff. i know...) and I got to level 13 from scratch. I'm not sure if Orange got to lvl 14 but I'm just clarifying my position.

Anyhow, with that as a pretense it makes me wonder: Is it fair to have a different class have the ability to level up so much faster or is that another application of Arena Net's "each class has its own advantages and disadvantages" philosophy?

P.S. This BWE I got a little too excited and entered the academy at lvl4. Is there a good minimum that people have found for level wise entering the academy? I know I should really start doing some more quests but I was so anxious to get to The Wilds that I kind of bypassed those due to our time constraint for this BWE.

Loviatar · Mar 24, 2005, 07:20 PM // 19:20

level 6-7 is about right

do all the quests from everybody before finalizing your second profession as it is easy and quick exp

save any gold for later

alpha testers cannot overemphasize doing everything in presear askalon before the academy as a higher charater has a running start on the early missions

EDIT

this might be of interest

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/content...-10-id1195.php

Chev of Hardass · Mar 24, 2005, 09:00 PM // 21:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daikini

BunnyMaster asked if it was possible for a Lvl1 character to wear the best armor in the game and Mumbly Fish said that this is impossible because the Lvl1 would have to buy the armor themselves. This situation is not impossible because of how partying works.

Lets say a Lvl 20 and a Lvl 1 start out at the beginning of a mission, the Lvl1 can not move while the Lvl 20 runs throught he mission and completes the quest. He doesn't get any XP but he still get the quest and can move on. This process can be repeated as needed until the Lvl1(which is now a Lvl 3 at least because of all the XP gained from completing quests) is standing in front of their final armor crafter. Once the Lvl 3 has their armor then can proceed to Power Level in the normal manner without having to worry too much about dying.

Don't forget that a level 1 and level 20 will never be in the same place together. The Academy requires that you are level 3 to get in and there is almost no way (except a bug) that you could stay a level 20 in Pre-seared Ascalon. At that point you can gain experiance faster by just taking part in the mission while everyone keeps you alive since you will gain more experiance fighting than if you were to just die. This seems to me to be the fastest way to level. Then, you are still doing the missions, still leveling, and still learning how to use your character. I suspect that a good team of caster, healer, and archer could keep a low level Warrior alive well enough to make them scream up the levels, if the Warrior was doing some serious tanking and was helped to find good weapons (to do larger portions of damage).

This really doesn't seem like power leveling since this is what happens when a group that knows the way, looking for items, or skill points, brings along a unknown who gets the sidequests and new and exciting drops. I have been taken on these trips by characters that were there only trying to earn skill points.

Just my 2 cents, but why would you have any reason to power level? I know that I wil be better at playing my characters after I train them to be level 20 than any lvl 20 I could ever just build.

ratatass · Mar 27, 2005, 04:24 AM // 04:24

Well Power leveling is not as easy as you would think, especially if you are on your own. This BETA I was on Spring break and had 24k connection at times. Great responses. I will just add my few to it. I was gonna do just that - with my Level 15 W/Mo to hook up for PvP. Did not realize you could create PvP Customize players until Saturday...I was power leveling....

1. As a monk healing your companions, or as the Ranger buffing your pet, or the Necro bringing life to his minions, you all get EXP. If you heal your pet once - you get exp. If you heal your damage dealer once - you get exp.

2. (This is Obvious- sorry )To Power Level the key is to choose the areas you were in last.
a) Choose the Last mission you finished, which
should have been Sanctum Cay and replay it
again and again. 2 Players is enough, maybe 3 if
none of you have monk secondary.

b) you can go 2 missions down and still make
decent exp. Riverside is ok, but you need a
good group and its slow pace - making power
level SLOW - and then it of course it is no longer
Power Leveling.

3. The second key is to choose as few players as possible for more exp distribution. Also pick players at the same level as you. Maybe even higher level - that boost your exp more in your favor.

4. Most importantly - choose the right area. And the number 1 area to power level is:

1. STINGRAY BEACH,
2. Sanctum Cay
3. Riverside
4. Denravi

For the following reasons, The monsters doesn't hit hard, but they are many, and you can therefore reduced the number of players as I did to 1 (ME). The yield on average at Level 18 was 100 exp per kill. I stopped power leveling when I found out I could make a premade.

Anyway - my two cents.

If Ensign happens to read this could you please confirm this:

Were one of your charachters in the Tombs called Evil Ensign ? I met Evil Ensign in the Tombs, but never got close I was the healer that played in the suckiest groups of all time - BUT when I saw the name Evil Ensign I wished I had brought my W/Mo...I wanted so bad to run over there and do some trashin and bashin....he he...but all I had was my skimpy Monk.

Anyway